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[Spelling & identification of several previously unrecognized words & names corrected by Rick Andersen, October 1992.]

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This document was transcribed from a video tape. I received the tape on or
about May or June 1990. After watching and reviewing the tape over a dozen
times, I showed the tape to other friends, and they like me were very amazed.
Some believed and some didn't. Now you can make your decision. Alfred Bielek
is one of the survivors of the Philadelphia Experiment.

Several of the names and places that Mr. Bielek mentioned, could not be
spelled correctly due to audio levels and mumbling. Of course there were a
lot of places and things I have never heard of, and have no idea of how to
spell them. I have tried to research some of this to make sure that all was
correct. Also, some of the words may sound a little strange, improper
English, and double words and sentences. This document is exactly as it was
spoken during the time of the conference. [--text cleaned up, as mentioned
above, by Rick Andersen, Oct. '92]

This conference was conducted at the Mufon Metroplex in Dallas, TX., a UFO
meeting. The date of this conference was January 13th, 1990. The speaker's
name is Alfred Bielek, and this is how he explains the beginning and the so-
called end of the experiment.


Alfred Bielek is our speaker tonight, and I heard him at the UFO
conference in Phoenix, in September, and I think it was pretty much agreed
that he was the most interesting of any of the speakers, at least on subject
material. So there hasn't been anyone that I know of that was actually
involved in the Philadelphia Experiment, that was still around to tell you
about it. And he is. So I think this one is a really exciting program.

Now there are some tie-ins with UFO's in a sense in that, well-- I will let
him tell you a little bit about that, but one of the projects that he was
working on is still highly classified, and it did involve some UFO's, and he
really can't talk about that one as much; tonight, he might just briefly touch
on it. But I think it's real interesting that there's so much government
secrecy around this as much as there has been around UFO's, and the government
has denied that this one has ever happened. So just in that relationship,
I think it is very interesting, and it certainly has a tie-in with the things
that we discuss here in our group. So with that, I introduce Alfred Bielek.


As announcement, my name is Alfred Bielek, I am a survivor of the
Philadelphia Experiment. I am going to ask before really starting: Out of
the people who are here, how many of you really know what the Philadelphia
Experiment, so called, was really all about?...

I don't see very many hands going up. So probably the second question is a
little bit superfluous. How many of you have any ideas to whether this exper-
iment actually started in the war years? That is, World War II, say '41 '42.
How many of you think it started then? Very few are knowledgeable about
that.... A few hands go up. Or who may think it started earlier?....
Well the ones who say earlier are correct.

It actually had its genesis in 1931-1932, in a strange little windy city
called Chicago, Illinois. At that time there had been, through the Twenties
and early Thirties, a lot of speculation in the popular literature, meaning
scientific popular literature like "Popular Science", "Popular Mechanics",
"Science Illustrated", on the subjects of invisibility, trying to make an
object disappear, or a person disappear, or even teleportation.
I guess the people at that time in there writing thought that maybe we were
close to it, in the terms of a scientific accomplishment, but there was a
great deal of speculation, and very little if anything was ever done about it.
About that time in '31, some people decided maybe it was about time to do
something about it and they got together at the University of Chicago.
The three principles involved were Dr. Nikola Tesla, Dr. John Hutchinson
and dean of the University of Chicago, later chancellor, and a Dr. Kirtenauer,
who was an Austrian physicist, who came from Austria and was on staff at the
University of Chicago. They did a little research....a feasibility study
type thing at that time, did not accomplish very much, at that particular
moment, in that period. A little bit later, the entire project was moved to
the Institute of Advanced Studies at Princeton.

The Institute of Advanced Studies itself was an interesting organization. It
is not part of the university system, it is not part of Princeton. It exists
on Princeton property, but is a independent entity. It was founded in 1933,
under whose auspices, or for what purpose, can't really say, other than some-
one wanted an institute for very advanced studies, post doctoral research and
this type of thing. Among the first people to join were such interesting and
well-known people as Albert Einstein. I won't go into Albert Einstein's
history, because he's too well known, but he joined the staff in 1933. He was
of course from Bonn, Germany, and after he left Germany in 1930 (some of the
biographies said 1933, but it was in 1930), he came to the United States, and
went to Pasadena, Ca. He was teaching at Cal-Tech. He was there for about
three years, and was invited to join the institute, in which he did in 1933,
and he remained there until his death. Einstein's principle function was a
theoretical physicist, a theoretical man, strictly mathematics, in the area of
physics. Well known of course for his Special Theory of Relativity, his
General Theory of Relativity, and the speculative Unified Field Theory.

Other people joined about the same time. One of the more important individuals
who joined was of course, Dr. John von Neumann, who was born in Budapest,
Hungary, and he came from Europe. He took his degree in mathematics, a PhD
in mathematics in 1925, in Budapest. He taught in the German University
system for approximately four years, at two different posts. During that period
of the four years, he met Dr. Robert Oppenheimer, who was in Europe at that
time, who became important later on after the project, and a number of other

Now, von Neumann was rather interesting. He was a theoretical man, a theor-
etical mathematician. But he was also a "nuts-and-bolts" man, which means he
knew how to apply pure theory. Einstein did not, and this is very important.
Now one of the other people turned up at that university, that is where he was
teaching at that time, was a very important man, if I can read my notes here,
was a man by the name of David Hilbert. Probably none of you have ever heard
of David Hilbert. A Dr. in mathematics, he was considered in Europe as a most
outstanding mathematician; he never did leave Europe as far as I know. He was
born, raised, and died in Germany. He died in Germany about 1965, approximate-
ly. But he was in the circle which Dr. von Neumann met. Hilbert is most
well-known and remembered for the fact that he developed a very exotic form
of mathematics called Hilbert Space. He was the first man to define mathema-
tically multiple realities, multiple space, and what it all meant in the terms
of a mathematician's point of view. To the most of us it is almost meaning-
less, and to the average person it is meaningless, but it is important to the
physicist, and to a mathematician, because he laid the ground work to what
became the Philadelphia Experiment.

Hilbert and von Neumann got together. Von Neumann wrote a paper in Germany,
in German, on Hilbert and some of his work. And von Neumann, being a very
outstanding man himself, took Hilbert's work and "ran with it", as the saying
goes, and he developed whole new systems of mathematics of his own. Von
Neumann is well-known in mathematical circles, as is Hilbert, and some of his
work has been published, and post-Philadelphia Experiment wise. One of the
things he is well-known for is Game Theory. He also developed a system of
ring operators, very exotic species of algebra, none of which really means
anything except to somebody who is very heavily steeped in mathematics and is
a pure mathematician.

Other people became important to this project as time went on. Now in 1934
roughly, they moved the project to the Institute, and Dr. Tesla comes into
play here. Tesla is a very important man. His history's fairly well known.
There is a movie out, by Segrabe Productions in Yugoslavia, outlining his
life. He was born in 1856. He went to school, to the regular schools, a
gymnasium, which is their high school, he started in a university. He was
there one year when his father died. He ran out of funds, so he could not
continue his formal education, but he understudied the professors there and
so he sat in on the classes. He then took work as he could find it, in Europe
at Western Union for a period of time. Then he joined the Edison Corps. of
Europe. And when he decided to move to the United States in 1884, he had a
letter of introduction from Edison's man, who ran the Edison Corps. in Europe.
So he arrived in the United States in 1884, and as the saying goes, with a
good working knowledge of eleven languages, four cents in his pocket, a book
of poetry, and a letter of introduction to Thomas Edison. It was most impor-
tant that he had that letter of introduction, because that became, for a
period of time, his mainstay.

He was introduced to Edison and immediately got into an argument with Edison
over the differences in their basic approach to electricity. Edison was a DC
man and Tesla, as was well-known, was a AC man, and Edison couldn't see the AC
and wanted no part of it. He already had a vested interest, if you will, in
the DC machinery which he had designed and built, and in the power systems he
was putting together. Well, he worked, that is Tesla worked for Edison for
about six months. They got into a violent argument over money, namely a
promise that was made to Tesla, that if he solved a certain problem, within a
certain time deadline, that he, Edison, would give him $50,000 as a bonus.
Well, he did the job and finished it, and he came to Edison and asked for his
bonus. Edison laughed, ho ho, that's a big joke, American sense of humor and
all of that. Tesla didn't think that was a big joke, and just packed up and
left immediately, and went back to digging ditches.

After that he met various people, did various things, one of them being for
the American President of Western Union. He worked for him for a period of
time. That gentleman helped him set up his first laboratory. As time went
on, he became an American citizen, and he started to give a series of lectures
at the old Institute of Electrical Engineers, which in the 1880's and 1890's
was very prominent in New York, and Tesla became a very prominent, regular
speaker, on various subjects of course involving AC theory, electrical power,
and anything else he happened to think was important. With everybody there,
their support, everything he presented was important.

At one point he gave a demonstration on electrical theory and AC power, and
one of the attendees was Mr. George Westinghouse. So in approximately 1889,
Westinghouse bought all of Tesla's patents, 20 of them on an AC generator
system, and AC power distribution, paid him a million dollars cold cash, and
a royalty of one dollar per horsepower, for every horsepower produced in
equipment from that point on, for the life of the patents. This put Tesla in
business very thoroughly.

In 1893, Tesla won the award for providing the power for the Chicago World
Exposition. It was the first time a major exposition had any AC power applied
for generation; previous to that was DC power, when there was power available,
and that did not suit Mr. Edison very well, but nevertheless Tesla won it.
He was already backed by J.P. Morgan. And he also did something else of great
note at that exposition: he demonstrated for the first time, publicly, a model
boat, radio-controlled, in the boat basin. He repeated this demonstration in
1898, at another demonstration in Madison Square Garden, New York City.

In the meantime there was a contest on for the development of high power, long
range power transmission, and Tesla won the award to build Niagara Power
Station, the first major hydroelectric power station in the United States to
be equipped with AC power. He won it because he promised he could ship power
all the way to New York City without losses, and he proved it. In 1899, Tesla
went to Colorado Springs to do a lot of research, and in this period of the
research he was dabbling into very basic areas of research involving very
high powered electricity, electrical bolts-- the Tesla Coil, if you will.
He was there two years, he made some press announcements. One of them, in
1899, was that he had been in contact with some people off planet Earth, ET's,
if you will, in our modern terminology. The press took a great deal of note
in it, and the scientific colleagues took a very dim view of it, at the time.
That was not a popular subject; they thought he was a little bit 'around the
bend' perhaps, which they thought very much he was later, a couple of decades
later. But he stuck to his guns.

Well, in 1906, again with JP Morgan's backing, he was going to develop a
system for transmission of radio and television signals, and the Wardencliff
Tower was built on Long Island in 1906. About a year before its completion,
he went to JP Morgan and said, "Really, Mr. Morgan, I intend to use this
tower for the production of FREE POWER, for everyone. FREE ELECTRICAL POWER."
And Mr. Morgan said to him, "You mean to tell me Mr. Tesla, that somebody can
stick an antenna rod in the ground, and another one in the air, and pick up
all the FREE POWER they want, and I can't put a meter on it and charge them?"
And Tesla said, "That is correct." JP Morgan said, "I will tell you, Mr.
Tesla, when I am ready for you." Obviously Mr. Morgan never called him again,
cut off all of the funding. The Wardencliff Tower sat until 1914 when it was
dynamited by someone. And that was the end of that project. Now in the
meantime Tesla went on to other things. I will cut this a little bit short,
because we are going to get into the main part of this.

In 1917 of course there was a war on-- World War I. Tesla was approached by
Franklin Delano Roosevelt, then secretary of the Navy, to do some work for
the government, which he gladly agreed to do. He was also involved at that
time with the American Marconi Co. and that company was seized during World
War I, as a possible hot-bed of alien activity, and you know the usual para-
noia that exist during wartime. And the whole company was absorbed by the
government, Tesla with it. Tesla did develop a number of interesting things
at that time, one of them the Rogers Antenna System.

The Rogers System for transmission of wireless, which made it possible for the
military at that time-- the patent was classified for many years-- to transmit
voice communications to Europe from the United States, without static and
without noise-- an unheard-of feat at that time. The system is still in use
today by the military.

In 1919 a new corporation was formed, RCA, and Tesla became part of it.
It was formed out of the old nucleus of American Marconi. Tesla remained with
RCA, first as an engineer, then as a director of engineering, and then after
1935 as the director of all engineering and research worldwide for RCA, which
lasted until 1939, at which timed he retired.

During this entire period of time, he had an impeccable track record for
producing hardware that worked and never failed, ie. he never failed to pro-
duce something that worked. He was also well-known as a man who visualized
these things in his head before he ever put it down on paper, or told somebody
what to build, down to the last gnat's eyebrow of a dimension. What's impor-
tant, to know this, and to understand that Tesla's approach to the projects,
was largely intuitive, not without a mathematical background, because he had
that, but his mathematics was that of the last century, the 1880's. And there
was a lot known about Electrical Theory at that time, but it was not at that
time that they developed Radio. Hertz got into this in the late 1880's 1890's.
Tesla never agreed with Hertz on what a radio wave is.

But in 1933, Roosevelt became President of the United Sates. He called his old
friend Nikola Tesla down to Washington, and asked him, "How would you like to
do some more work for the government?" And Tesla said, "Fine". And he said,
"We have a project for you." He wound up being the director of what would
later become known as the Philadelphia Project. And that is basically how
Tesla became involved in that project. He was named by the President, so far
as what we can determine now. He was the first director, this does show in
certain records, and they proceeded.

In 1936, there was a first test of some hardware, and this was moderately
successful. This means it resulted in some partial invisibility, enough to
be encouraging enough to show that they were on the right pathway and the
right track, and the Navy became very interested; actually they were inter-
ested from the beginning in 1931 and provided some research money. And in
1936 they provided more, and the project expanded. Well this went on and
things expanded from that point onward, more people became part of the

A Dr. Gustave Le Bon became a close associate of Dr. von Neumann, joined the
staff. Can't find any record of him today, but nevertheless he was there,
and another man, a Dr. Clarkston, joined in approximately in 1940. Now this
was not the only project going on at the Institute. There were other people
there doing various things. The only man who knew everything that was going
on there was of course Dr. Einstein himself, he was considered as the General.
If you had a problem, you went to see the General. He was a general consultant
to everyone, whatever the project might be. Now this thing continued to grow.

I haven't gotten into how I got involved in it yet, didn't quite get into it
at this point. I came in later. But I think what I want to do at this point
is take a slight break from the theoretical side and show you a video tape,
part of it, produced by EMI Thorn Corp. of England. This movie was produced
basically in 1983, and was released in the United States in 1984 from England
to be shown in theaters, with schedule to setup about mid August of '84. And
the movie lasted TWO WEEKS.

About three days before the movie was released, EMI Thorn received a letter
from the United States government saying 'we don't want this movie to be shown
in the United States.' They decided after some deliberation to ignore the
letter, because they had already made their release dates, and they said well
three days we can play that we never got the letter. So they released the
movie, and it was shown in various places; New York, Philadelphia, as I under-
stand there were huge waiting lines to see it, and various other cities around
the US.; Phoenix, Sedona, AZ., Chicago, Los Angeles, whatever.

Another letter arrived at EMI Thorn in England, shortly thereafter-- a very
stern, "We don't want this movie shown in the United States." So EMI Thorn
could not ignore the second letter. So they fired back at the Government,
and said 'if you want this movie stopped, you will have to get a court injun-
ction to stop it.' And the U.S. government said 'we will', and they did.
They got a court order banning the showing of this movie in the United States.
That court order took effect sometime early September, and the movie dis-
appeared completely for two years. In the meantime EMI Thorn went ahead and
decided that they wanted to fight this, and they did successfully. Two years
later they had a counter-injunction issued, banning the first one, and it
again became available as a video tape. I don't believe it has ever been
shown in a movie house after that, but the video tape is commonly available.

Now the movie, the video tape, "The Philadelphia Experiment" is the actual
title. It is relatively accurate in the first part of the film, and they do
embellish it, they want to make a nice interesting movie, a love story, and
they distorted some of the parts at the end, nevertheless, I would like to
show the first part of it, because it's very appropriate to what comes from
this point on.

[Mr. Bielek showed a short excerpt of the film, (now available from local
video stores), called "The Philadelphia Experiment". The film starts from the
beginning and continues until the two guys jump over the side of the ship.
If you have not yet seen this movie, "The Philadelphia Experiment", it would
be worthwhile to see it.]

Mr. Bielek continues.......

Up to that point the story is relatively accurate; they change one thing: the
date. It was actually August 12, 1943. And a very disastrous experiment, but
a lot happened in-between and this will lead into eventually the rest of the

Now as I have said, in 1936 they had a moderate degree of success, but nothing
like this. The original intent was to produce a field of invisibility around
an object. So they went on working and in 1940 they did achieve their first
real success under Tesla's direction, at the Brooklyn Navy yard. It was a
small ship, which had nobody aboard. The special equipment was put on that
ship. It was powered from two adjacent ships on either side, to supply the
power on cables; in case something went wrong they could cut the cables or if
they got desperate they could sink the ship. But they didn't have any need to
be that desperate, it was precautions, which the Navy always takes.

It was completely successful. The small ship became invisible, there was no
one on board at this point, because that was a later part of the test. Well,
it was declared as a success. The Navy was elated, they felt they had it and
they funded an unlimited amount of money into the research for this thing and
classified the project, September of 1940, calling the project, "Project
Rainbow". Things went into high gear from that point on.

Now I think at this point, I should say where I came into it, both myself and
my brother. I was born August 4, 1916, in the New York area, to a Mr. Alex-
ander Duncan Cameron, Sr., the father, and a mother who, I don't believe
was married from what little research we were able to do. Had a rather
uneventful life, but pleasant life, because there was money in the family.
My brother was born in May of 1917. And we went on our merry way. Had a ball
as it was, didn't have any worries about money. Came the Depression years,
we decided to go to school and get an education. He went to the University of
Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland, until he graduated in 1939, in the summer of
'39 with a PHD in physics. I went to Princeton, Bachelor's and Master's; I
went to Harvard for my doctorate. Earlier, von Neumann said, "You don't want
to get your doctorate here at Princeton. Go to Harvard, it's a better school.
So I took a doctorate out at Harvard; I think it was in August of '39. In the
meantime I should add, there were some other things going in the background,
and that background happened to be our father.

He, himself served in the Navy in World War I. He was a seaman, in the
pictures we have in our family album. Exactly when he joined we don't know
and exactly when he left the Navy, we don't know. Those papers are missing.
But as far as we know, he spent a full 20 years, took his retirement in the
very early 30's. And at what rank he left, we don't know, and what connec-
tions he made, we don't really know, but he must have made some very interest-
ing connections with intelligence because of what happened from that point on.

Now in the 30's. From that point on he never worked a day in his life...
by the way, he didn't need to. Now in the 30's he had a hobby, and that was
building sailboats. Not little models, but full-sized ones, which he used
to race in the various regatta races, around Long Island, which was very
common then. Take a trophy or two. Get tired of the boat, and then sell it,
and build another. In the meantime he also became very active in other things.
Those other things were smuggling scientists out of Nazi, Germany, and bring-
ing them to the United States. That's a long piece of history, and I don't
really need to go into. But it ceased in 1939 when the war became hot. In
September of 1939 due to the arrangements by my father, who apparently had a
great deal of influence in the Navy, had prearranged that we enlist in the
Navy, as we both did in September of 1939. We were given commissions; we then
went to a special naval training school, in Providence, Rhode Island, for
90 days. We were probably among the earliest of what later they called the
"90 Day Wonders" in the Navy. In 90 days you were trained as an officer and
were supposed to know everything. Be that as it may, we were then at the end
of that in 1939, early 1940. We were assigned to the institute. Now in the
meantime we had had some contact with it, and had been there periodically;
I myself had been there for a period of time, because I was at Princeton. But
we were assigned to the Institute full board, and our job was to represent the
Navy's interest in this project. They wanted two people who had the scientific
background and training to be able to accurately report both theoretically and
practically on what was going on, what was happening, and what was being done.
And that was our main job. We were assigned to the Institute; we also had
offices at the Philadelphia Navy yard. Now in 1940 as I have said, there was
a successful test. The project was classified. Tesla was given unlimited
funding, along with the group which continued to expand. I don't remember all
of the people involved, but we had another infrastructure which came into
being, a Navy structure. Up to now I largely touched on the civilian end of
it. Now there is a Navy end of it.

At the very top was the Office of Naval Engineering. In those days they did
not have an Office of Naval Research. It was the Office of Naval Engineering,
Hal Bowen, Sr., Admiral, was in charge. He was not only the overseer for the
Navy of this project, but all projects of engineering developmental nature
during the war. That office, by the way, was abolished in 1946, and replaced
with the Office of Naval Research, which Hal Bowen again was a director of
until he retired in 1947. But during that period he was, you might say, the
Top Dog in the Navy. Under him there were some other people. There was a
commander established layer. I won't go into that but there was a Lt. Comm-
ander, Alan Batchelor, who became sort of the crew chief and took care of the
personnel who would to work on the project of invisibility, which then
developed in two phases.

Alan Batchelor, by the way, is alive today; he's retired from the Navy. He
retired as a Lt. Commander. I know him personally. I didn't know for a long
period of time there were any survivors, and then suddenly I found out about
this gentleman through other friends in New York and talked with him,
eventually went to visit him. And he does have memory, of essentially all
the projects. If fact he identified me on the phone, on a telephone
conversation. He said, "Yes, you worked on that project, I remember you. No,
your name wasn't Bielek." Bielek said, "Well, what was it?" Bielek
I already knew, but I wanted to see if he remembered. He did eventually come
up with the name; he remembered my brother. This is all a little to the
sides of the main story.

Now one of the other things that had to be done eventually was to develop a
special crew. This came a little bit later. January of '41, the Navy decided
that my brother and I needed some sea duty, so they transferred us to Brooklyn
Navy yard, and about a month or so later we were assigned to the Pennsylvania,
an old-line battle wagon, and we went out into the Pacific. We were out there
most of the year of 1941. Along about October of '41, when the Pennsylvania
was brought in to Pearl Harbor to dry dock for some repairs, we took some
leave and eventually went to San Francisco. We had a ball in San Francisco in
those days, but we were there during that period of October, late October,
early November; and in November it was finally decided that we go back to
Pearl Harbor. Our orders were cut and on December 5th we were getting on the
runway for the aircraft at the Naval Air station to be sent back to Pearl
Harbor when we were intercepted by a captain in the Navy and addressed us by
our ranks, and said, "Your orders are cancelled. Come with me." We followed
him to an upstairs room in the Naval Air station and we were met by Hal Bowen,
Sr., who said, "Gentlemen, your orders have been cancelled. You may as well
know that we will be at war with Japan within 48 to 72 hours. We expect them
to attack Pearl Harbor. You're much too valuable to send back to Pearl Harbor;
you will stay here in the San Francisco area. You can do paper work. You will
be assigned to the Pennsylvania; its home berth is San Francisco. You can
finish out your year's tour here in San Francisco. You will then be returned
to the Institute to continue your work. Enjoy it while you may, because there
will be no leave time, and there will be nothing but hard work after you're
back there." So we did. We enjoyed it. And eventually we went back there in
January of '42.

But at that point a lot had happened in the meantime. Tesla had been assigned
a battleship by a certain friend of his. I think it was Franklin Delano
Roosevelt, in the White house. He said "you may have this ship; go ahead, make
it invisible." There was full confidence that he could do it. So he was
proceeding with the building of the hardware. There were several,
three RF transmitters, one main generator I believe, then there were two.
The general plan of attack, without getting highly technical, was a series of
magnetic coils driven by these generators which produced a very intense mag-
netic field, and initially they were wrapped around the hull of the ship.
Later this was changed to coils mounted on the deck, four of them. And RF
fields all synchronized with special frequencies and special modulation
waveforms developed by Tesla which would produce the field of invisibility.

Along about this time (I will have to fill in a little bit about Tesla),
he made another press announcement, in 1923, about talking with ET's off
planet, which fell on some interested ears, but a lot of dead ears also. And
he maintained a stance that he was in communication with ET's. Now after he
retired from RCA, plus he became more active in this project, but he also
maintained a laboratory in his living quarters at the Hotel New Yorker, in
New York, the top floor. He had another laboratory in New York, which was
actually separate, but not a very important one. Unknown to most people he
had a second laboratory which apparently was his main one on top of the
Waldorf Astoria on the top floor and both penthouse towers. He maintained a
transmitter setup on the Waldorf; and his receiving setup, his receiving
antennas and receivers which had been built by RCA under his direction, were
on the New Yorker. And I know two people who said they were working with
Tesla, during that period, that he was using that equipment, he was talking
with somebody, virtually every day, and one of them was emphatic: it was
someone off planet. In plain language, he was communicating with ET's!

Who? I have no idea. It has never been revealed. But during that period he
got some additional information and he suddenly went to the Navy and said,
"We are going to have a personnel problem. We're going to have a very serious
problem. You cannot develop the amount of power necessary to make a large
ship of the line invisible without having effects on the personnel. I need
more time. I need to develop counter-measures for this so that the personnel
are not harmed." The Navy said, "You can't. You've got a deadline date.
There's a war on. Make it work. You can fix it, but don't change it."

Make it work, in other words. There was a deadline date, which happened to be
March of '42. The specific test approached; he became very uneasy about it,
and finally decided, with no extension in time and no way that he could
modify the hardware to correct the problem, there was only one out for him.
And that was to sabotage the equipment, not by physically destroying it, but
making certain that it would never work when it was turned on, which was in
essence what he proceeded to do on this test date, March of '42. The battle-
ship did not have a special crew on. It had the regular crew, although it had
the specialized equipment. And the switches were thrown and nothing happened,
and Mr. Tesla bowed out. He said, "Well, gentlemen, the experiment is a
failure and it's time for me to leave. There's a very good man here that can
take over and make things work for you. And that's Dr. John von Neumann. Bye!"

As the story goes, he was fired. There's another story and it goes, 'You can't
fire me; I quit!' Whatever the case, he left. There was some other interest,
and he did do other research from that point on until the date of his death,
January 7, 1943, which figured into some of the other things that happened
later, but was not directly related at that time to the experiment.

Now in the period of that era a lot of other projects were afoot. One of the
others that was developed and was actually functional prior to this project
and that was the work being done basically at the Navy yard, and also at the
Institute under Einstein's specific direction, was the experiments in
Degaussing. I don't know how many of you know it, but prior to WWII and
during WWII actually dating to 1938, the Germans developed a new type of mine,
called a magnetic mine. It did not explode by contact, it exploded by means
of detecting the magnetic mass of the steel hull of a ship as it approached.
It distorted the earth's magnetic field, and this was sensed by sensing
elements on this mine; and when it was close enough to the ship or was
underneath the ship, without any contact being made, the trigger mechanisms
fired, the mine would go off and blow a hole in the bottom of the ship, and
that was the end of the ship. The U.S. Navy knew about this, and they wanted
to develop countermeasures, which they did. They were very successful. They
were so successful in fact that the Germans gave up on the magnetic mine in
1943, and went back to the standard mines which you cannot affect by this
type of equipment. The early forms of that equipment involved wrapping two
sets of cables around the ship, special generators aboard ship; there was no
intent to produce invisibility, radar or otherwise, it was strictly a matter
of exploding those German magnetic mines. They did explode a lot of them;
they saved quite a few ships as the result of it, and that project was
entirely successful.

I think at this point we'll set up the slides.


At this Mr. Bielek shows some slides of the college at Princeton. These
slides include area sites of the school ie., the room from were he was
taught, the inner courtyard, a few trees, and other items around the
school. But he also showed a slide of the building where they first
conducted the experiment of making things invisible-- optically invisible!
Mr. Bielek produced other slides of the original equipment from the Phila-
delphia Experiment, from the Eldridge, the ship from which the experiment
had taken place. Few of the slides were of one of the special generators,
and controls. He also mentioned that he knew that this equipment actually
came from the Eldridge, because of the feeling or the VIBES, of being
around this equipment.


And Mr. Bielek continues....

Ok, once the experiment failed insofar as Tesla's effort was concerned,
Dr. von Neumann took over. Now some of the other people in the background
that became part of this project are well-known. One of them is T. Townsend
Brown. He has a long history; many people know him for the fact that he
worked in the UFO field with electrostatics, attempting to prove that you can
make an object move by means of very high voltage of electrostatic fields.
And he did a lot of work and is well documented, well researched. He worked
in his school days, with a Dr. Brown, he became known as Dr. Bifield,
the Bifield Brown Effect.

Eventually he was picked up by the Navy. He joined the Naval Reserves in
1933 and took part in various little projects. In 1939 they tapped him on the
shoulder for active service, and he went in the Navy. And they gave him the
project of developing countermeasures for mines. And that was his department
basically; you had a number of areas of expertise, he worked on the magnetic
mine project. He was also considered an RF expert, so he also worked on
the Philadelphia Experiment, at least to the extent of designing a special
radio transmitter, and a tower to support the antennas, which was the high
tower on the Eldridge which figures later, and is shown in the movie and
which was accurate, that it was broken, and it did come down. That was his
handiwork, not the breaking of it, but the original mounting and testing of

Before Dr. von Neumann could complete his work he told the Navy, 'I've got
to restudy this thing. Obviously it didn't work, I've got to go back and
find out why.' And he needed a lot of time. The Navy had no choice, but to
give whatever time he demanded. So it went on in '42 through a good part of
'42 and more theoretical study. Along about May of '42, they decided they
were going to need a special ship. The battleship was no longer available; it
went back into service. They decided they wanted to build a test vehicle
from the ground up. So along about June or July they decided to go to the
drawing boards to find out what ships were coming down the ways that might be
suitable, that were going to be built, and they picked on "DE 173" which later
was christened "The Eldridge". It was not known at that time by that name.

And in July they modified the drawings. Decided where they wanted the two
generators. The reason why they had to do the modification, was the destroyer,
the 'DE', was a rather small ship. Its normal displacement was around 1500
tons not 30,000. Consequently they had to fit the equipment, which was quite
heavy, very carefully. What they decided to do was to leave the forward gun
turret off, and fill it in, and to leave a hole there, and the hole was for
where the generators would go. So they mounted the two generators down in the
hole where the turret would have normally been, the powder magazine and
everything else. The motor drive for the generators, the diesel electric
system to drive the entire system, and four transmitters were eventually
mounted on the deck. But the ship had to be built first. It came down the
ways about October of '42 and then it went to dry dock, but it started out
fitted with various pieces of equipment. So along about January of '43 it was
virtually ready.

Now insofar as the "human equation" was concerned, what they were going to do
for a crew... about June or so of '42 they decided they were going to have to
have a special crew. All volunteer, handpicked, who would probably, and as
they did, essentially sign their lives away. They were volunteers, they
would not be responsible, so on and so forth, and they were told that it was
going to be an very exotic experiment and there was some danger possibly
involved. 'Do you want to volunteer?'

Well they got the kind of people they wanted, about 33, and they went through
a special training school at Groton, Connecticut, a Coast Guard Academy. About
three months of training. Graduated in December of '42, and who was the head
of the class, the instructor as it were, whose photo, as well as the entire
graduating class showed up? This is still in the family files, believe it or
not, was our father, in his Naval uniform. How he got back into the Navy, we
don't know, unless it was a Coast Guard uniform, but it looked to me like a
Navy uniform. And all the enlisted personnel including two warrant officers,
they were then, as you might say, swept off to Philadelphia where they were
assigned, not knowing of course when the ship would be ready. And they
remained on call until they were needed. Those thirty three, went through,
approximately, went through special training, and they were warned of certain
things, but nobody expected what actually happened. Since a special crew was
available, the ship was being outfitted in January and this was going on and
some tests began, about January of '43, separate systems. Nothing was ever
tested completely together, it could not be because that was the final test.

So various subsystems were tested; the generators, the RF transmitters.
Tesla used three, Von Neumann went to four and he finally decided the power
of the transmitters selected by Tesla, which were General Electric. The 500
kilowatt CW was not sufficient. He put boosters on them to raise each one to
2 megawatt CW and the two generators remained essentially the same, 75 KVA
each. Fairly low frequency, motor driven, special synchronizing circuits to
make sure the two generators were in absolute sync, otherwise it wouldn't
work. A special generator system was built with another very exotic device--
it was inherited directly from Tesla-- and that was the Zero Time Reference

Now what is a Zero Time Reference? This is a term you won't see in the text-
books. It is a system which quite simply locks to the earth's field, the
earth's magnetic structure, and also its mass resonance through a very ingen-
ious system designed by Tesla. Now all the planets in our system and all of
the planets throughout this galaxy are basically locked in the cosmology and
having what you call a Zero Time Reference which is the Geocentric center of
our galaxy. Everything has to be referenced to this Zero Time point, it's a
reference really. Regardless of the local time, you must reference to this
thing to make everything work. And Tesla found the means to do this rather
simply. These reference generators exist in every FAA system ever built for
the glide slope [sic?], our landing systems and it was part of the system.
All of the generators, most generators like the one I showed you, and various
other equipment. The final version some 3000 '6L6' tubes were used to drive
the field coils of the two generators, and that was an accurate rendition, by
the way, perhaps not to the exact position, but actually in the sense that
there were a large number of tubes, about 3000 by count.

Along about March of '43 von Neumann started to get the shakes. He would
not believe Tesla at first and Tesla kept saying, "There's going to be a
personnel problem", and he wouldn't believe it. Well my brother and I
believed Tesla, because we had a great deal of respect for him, and my
brother went through some of the math and the equations and the things that
Tesla told him, and I did too. We finally agreed with Tesla and we kept
telling von Neumann that 'you can't turn this system on the way it is. You're
going to have a problem, even Tesla said so.' Well at the mention of Tesla's
name, von Neumann at that stage would blow up and he became very upset at
the mere mention of his name. Eventually however he got the message. He said,
maybe there will be a problem. Well let's see what we can do about it.

He decided to add a third generator. So they designed and built one and added
it about late April, early May. At this point I'm not really sure where they
put it, it might've been on deck, it might've been below deck, because it
didn't stay very long. They had problems, very serious problems, in that
they could never synchronize it to the other two. Along about the same time,
early '43, a third man, my brother and I were the ones chosen to run the
equipment by the way and were trained to run the entire system because we
knew what the system was and we had the educational background to appreciate
what he was trying to do.

But as the film showed, and this was correct, we were in enlisted men's
uniforms. We had first-class Specialist rating and when we were around the
rest of the crew, we wore enlisted men's uniforms because we were working
with the crew most of the time. In those days there was a very strong caste
system in the Navy. New officers did not mix with the men very well other
than to give them orders. You didn't work with them like that in the uniform
in those days. They do now and on the subs they do. But we were told to wear
enlisted men's uniforms when we were working with the crew and in the test
mode for the ship.

The third man was given to us, a man by the name of Jack, and he was a
technician of sorts, he was a first class electronic technician, had the
right background, and he was just a helper. Along about June, mid June, in
one of the tests, this third generator went slightly berserk. Started gener-
ating enormous arcs. Jack was hit by one of these arcs and was laid out on
the cat walk, cold. We thought maybe he was dead and the medics came in and
hauled him off; he was in a coma. Stayed in that for about four months and
recovered later. He was never again a part of the project.

So von Neumann looked at this and said 'the generator is no good, remove it.'
It was removed and went back to the two generators. He scratched his head,
went back to square one. 'Well, what do we do now?' Decided to go on. The Navy
of course was pressuring him in the meantime, 'You've got to get this thing
going.' They did a lot further testing. Eventually early July, actually late
June, they decided the ship long since came out of dry dock, and was sitting
at dockside in the Philadelphia Navy yard. We, by the way had an office in
the Philadelphia Navy yard, in the top of one of the buildings. High security,
with a view of the harbor. They decided that the Eldridge was to go to sea
for sea trials, which was normal. So it spent three days at sea. Mid June,
it came back, had the shake-down. Everything was all right. It did not take
the special crew out for this. It took a normal crew out. And it came back,
everything was fine. Went to dockside for final test.

Finally July 20th, they decided the ship was ready for the final testing.
So the special test crew was assembled, the captain who was to handle the
ship, a man by the name of Hangle, Captain Hangle, a Navy captain, went on
board. He was not the permanent captain. Everyone went on board on the 22nd,
including ourselves. As the movie showed, the ship went out to its position,
its station in the harbor. At 0900 hours we were told to throw the switch,
a whole series of them really. There were at that point only two generators
left, so the movie was slightly inaccurate in that respect. So they turned it
on and the ship became invisible, according to the observers. They left it in
that mode for some 15-20 minutes. They said turn it off, and we turned the
equipment off. Bring the ship back to port, and we did. And it was only then
when we got it back to port we realized there was a serious problem.

The personnel, those that were above deck (there were some above deck and
some below deck), were totally disoriented, nauseous, throwing up, almost to
the point of delirious and obviously not with it. So the Navy saw the state
of affairs, they said get the crew off and we will get you a new crew. Von
Neumann knew for sure then that we had a personnel problem, and he went to
the Navy and said "I need more time to study this problem. We need to find
out what to do to correct it. The Navy said, "You have a drop-dead date of
the 12th of August, 1943. You will do the testing by then or forget it!"
They would not give him a reason why. They gave none of us a reason why.
I went to Hal Bowen and asked him where did this order come from. He gave it
to us. He said 'I don't know, but I will find out exactly where it came from.'
And he finally found out through the chain of command, that it came from the
CNO, who was the Chief of Naval Operations, which we thought a bit peculiar.
The Chief of Naval Operations is concerned with the conduct of the war, where
the fleets are, what the ships are doing. He is not concerned about the
details of an engineering project back in Philadelphia yards. I will let you
know there is an engineering project of some kind, there are several going on.
It probably came from above his level. Well we had the date, von Neumann and
everybody worked night and day to try and make the corrections. The Navy
decided in the meantime they did not want full invisibility. They only wanted
radar invisibility. The reasoning behind this was that at that time, of
course, we did not have such things as inertial guidance systems, we did not
have world-wide Loran and Shoran navigational systems. One is low frequency
and the other one is a medium frequency. All you had to navigate with was
line of sight, the eye and radar. If you make the ship radar invisible at
night, you can't tell were the ship is unless it's optically visible. If it's
optically invisible you may ram an adjacent ship. That was the thinking and
they said no more optical invisibility. Von Neumann said that we can modify
the equipment for that, and he did.

Came the final and fatal day, 12th of August 1943. Went out into the harbor
again. Everybody was a little shaky, and my brother and myself particularly.
So we went out on station, the orders came to throw the switch, to fire the
equipment. For about 60 to 70 seconds everything looked okay. They had their
radar invisibility, you could still see the ship, an outline.

Then there was a blue flash and the ship disappeared totally.

At that point of course von Neumann panicked. The ship disappeared completely,
they didn't know what happened to it. About four hours later the ship
reappeared in the harbor, in the same location where it had been. It was
quite obvious when it reappeared that something was wrong. They shipped a
crew out, a crew on a launch, because they still had no response to radio
signals. They had indications that something was very seriously wrong. They
could already see this because the antenna superstructure was broken. So out
went the crew and they went and boarded the ship and found the following:

Two men embedded in the steel decks; two men embedded in steel bulkheads;
the fifth man with his hand embedded in the steel bulkhead-- he lived, they
chopped his hand off. Gave him an artificial hand. People running around
totally bananas, and really insane, out of it. People who were appearing and
disappearing. A few who were on fire, if you remember the biblical story about
the bush that burned without being consumed. They had men like this. And
everybody was seriously disoriented. The only people who escaped this
disorientation were those who were below decks, that also included my brother
and myself. That's where the very interesting part of the story comes in.

What happened to the ship and what went wrong. We jumped over the side of the
ship expecting to hit water; we didn't, we wound up in 1983, August 12, on
the shores, if you will, of another project called the Phoenix Project at
Montauk, Long Island, at night, inside the inner peripheral fences. They had
it fully operational at that time, with guards, guard dogs, and regular
helicopter patrol. We were spotted by a helicopter; we didn't know what a
helicopter was. The guards came and grabbed us and took us downstairs. It was
five levels of underground at Montauk, and that's where most of the equipment
was. And we were introduced to Dr. von Neumann. 'Well who are you?' 'I am
Dr. von Neumann.' We were more than slightly shocked, because we had just left
him in 1943, a relatively young man, and here was an old man greeting us as
von Neumann. He quickly filled us in as to what had happened, to what was
going on, because he had the final reports. Which is a long story. How did
this happen? And he said, Gentlemen you have to go back and shut off the
equipment on the Eldridge; this has already occurred according to our records,
but it hasn't actually happened in reality, it has not happened yet, but you
have to go back and do it. We can't shut it off from here. We can't shut this
station down; what has happened is the two experiments in time, exactly forty
years apart, have coupled together, to each other, and created a hole in
Hyperspace and which sucked the Eldridge in.

"You were lucky in a sense; you jumped overboard and wound up here." The other
personnel, by the way, were still on board the ship, locked within the bubble
of energy which surrounded the ship. He said "this Hyperspace bubble is
expanding, and is going to create some very serious problems; we don't know
how far it will go if it's not shut down. It could engulf part of the planet."
There was a lot of speculation; he realized that it was something they had no
knowledge of, no control over, and they had to establish control by shutting
down the principal element generating the fields, and that was the Eldridge.
The Phoenix project-- won't go into the history of it, but at that point which
happened to be the last day it was on-line, had the capability, at that point,
and had had for two and one half years, a total control of time, and they
were able to send us back to the Eldridge, which they did. They said, you will
have to do whatever is necessary to shut off the equipment, smash it if you
have to. Which we did. We picked up axes and smashed everything in sight.
The banks of electron tubes, the power switches, everything that consisted of
control circuitry, and the generators shut down, and they slowly wound down,
and shut down, and things started to reestablish themselves to normal, ie,
the ship returned to its normal point in the harbor. At the same time, other
than a first slippage of about three or four hours, and at that point I stayed
with the ship. My brother decided, in fact, as I recall, he actually had
orders to return to '83, so he jumped over the side of the ship again.
He wound up in '83.

They boarded the ship; of course, they found the antenna broken. The deck
equipment was intact. Equipment below decks, in the hole, was smashed as we
had done, and they found the terrible state of the personnel. Well they
couldn't take the ship back with the personnel. They put a special crew on,
took the ship back to dockside, and held meetings for some four days with
von Neumann, Le Bon, Hal Bowen, Batchelor, and a number of other people.
'Well, what do we do now?" Well they decided, they would run one more test,
and they would rebuild the equipment, but then the last test would be without
personnel, as the first successful one with a different ship. They would
rebuild it, they would hard-wire it, on the Eldridge. So in late October,
they took the ship out into the outer harbor, at night, took it out with a
standard crew, and the crew left the ship. They had about a thousand feet of
cable so that they could turn the equipment on, and hopefully turn it off
again. At the appropriate hour, which is about 10:00 at night, 2200 hours
Navy time, they turned the equipment on and the ship immediately disappeared.
Now this led to the legends, the apocrypha of stories of the Eldridge showing
up in the harbor of Norfolk, VA and a lot of people have reported this, it
was seen there for ten or fifteen minutes, then disappeared. Then it returned
to the harbor in Philadelphia. When it returned, as it did, they didn't have
to shut any equipment off, it was already shut off for them and half of it was
missing. They found two transmitter cabinets missing, one of the generators
was missing. The control room was a smoking ruins. Nobody was there to do
it, but it was a smoky ruins. The Navy got the point that this was something
they were fooling with that they had no cognizance what it was all about, and
they decided to totally scrap the project at that point. Send the Eldridge
back to the ship yard, strip it, re-equip it for normal sea duty, which they
did, and it went back out to sea as a normal ship, with its normal captain,
which had been assigned in August, actually August 22nd was the christening
date after the second test, which was the real disaster.

It did normal sea duty during the war. In 1946 it wound up in mothballs along
with many other ships. 1950, President Truman made a transfer of some fifty
destroyers to Greece and other nations in Europe. The Eldridge was one of
them. It went to the Greeks. The Navy renamed it the Lion. The Navy
repetitively had problems with that ship themselves and they had to strip it
down, themselves, and repaint it, and re-outfit it, and they had no more
trouble out of it. It may still be in service in the Greek Navy today for all
we know. They don't scrap ships as fast as we do. But they also inherited
the log, the log from the Eldridge. As the Maritime Law states, the log must
go with the ship. Well, it did. When they opened it up, they found out
something rather interesting. Every page for that log prior to January 1,
1944, was missing, and no prior history to what the ship had done. That so
far as the log was concerned, the Greeks could do nothing about it. They
could've complained to the Navy, but the Navy was not about to turn anything
more over to them. So that was the end of the saga of the Eldridge.

The project was closed. At that point, there's one other interesting aspect
I forgot to mention which does figure into the whole story. Approximately six
days before the final test on the Eldridge, in August, the one which was a
complete disaster, three UFO's showed up, over the Eldridge. At what altitude,
I don't know. I do not recall having seen them. My brother did and other
people did. And they just sat there. Now what they were doing, we don't know
other than they were observing. At the time of the test when the ship
disappeared into Hyperspace, one of those UFO's disappeared with it. It wound
up in Montauk, in the underground. It was sucked through Hyperspace and wound
up in the underground intact! It was later dismantled.

Now after the project was closed, von Neumann was moved of course to Los
Alamos, New Mexico, because he then went to work with Oppenheimer on the
Atomic Bomb project. The Atomic Bomb project of course was successful. They
had problems too, but there is no need to go into that. And the contest which
had existed for quite a few years between the Navy and the Army as to whose
secret weapon was going to be used to win the War, went to the Army and the
Atomic Bomb project. Leslie Groves went out on that. We can only speculate at
this point what might've happened had the Navy's test been successful: they
would've probably received all the funding, and they probably would have been
shipping pieces of equipment onto all of the Navy's ships, perhaps Merchant
Mariners, because the Merchant Mariners was also very interested at that time.
A gentleman by the name of Carl Allende, commonly called, according to the
stories which had circulated for years, "Carlos Miguel Allende", was an
observer on the SS Furuseth, a merchant mariner at the time of that test in
August. Many stories are told about him, he has been interviewed many times,
and certain things just don't hang together in the stories he tells. He may
well have been there, but nobody has been able to nail down his real history.

In '47 the Navy decided to reopen the project. In the meantime there had been
a small reorganization of the entire military structure. The Department of
Defense was established, you had the Department of the Army, the Department
of the Navy, the Department of the Air Force, which came into being in 1947.
You had Chiefs of Staff, Joint Chiefs of Staff, and of course the big building
called the Pentagon. Well the Navy's infrastructure changed and a lot of the
wartime people were retired. Somebody else came into the office of Naval
Research, and said to Dr. von Neumann, let's reopen this project, "Project
Rainbow". Find out what really happened, see if there is anything in it that
we can salvage.

So we did or started to, then I got called out to Los Alamos and to a place
called Camp Hale, Colorado, along with Dr. Vannevar Bush; and what was he
doing? He and Vannevar Bush were the scientific team in charge of recovering
a crashed UFO at Aztec, New Mexico in 1947. It was totally unbeknownst to me
because, in the meantime, the Navy washed me out and did a number on me, and
he was there again in 1948 for another crash, or two crashes, of more UFO's;
everyone or all of the bodies were dead in those cases. In 1949 one crashed
more or less intact, and they recovered a live one. This one was called
"EBE-1", and was found wandering around in the fields. They captured him,
and they took care of him, and they tried to find out what made him "tick".
They communicated with him-- him or it. They couldn't see if there was any
determination of sex of this individual. They called in the doctors because
he was obviously not too well. He was getting worse by the day. Doctors
couldn't do a thing with him, they didn't know what was wrong. Something
familiar with that statement, ha, ha.

They called in a botanist, a PHD in botany. He found out what was wrong. This
little guy had CHLOROPHYLL in his veins. Stood about three feet high. Looks
like a typical picture of the little Gray's, except he wasn't a Gray. But he
had chlorophyll in his veins and he lived on sunshine. So they had to keep
him out in the sunshine, at least some part of the time. And the rest of the
time they kept him under wraps and they also kept him well-guarded because he
had a very strange characteristic: they found out not only was he completely
telepathic, and capable of communicating with fellow kindred, members of his
group, but he also, they found, had a very interesting strange property-- he
could walk through walls. So they found out how to stop that. They kept him
in a Faraday cage most of the time, which turns out that was the way, this one
and others like him were transported by those who later turned out to be the
little Gray's. And that's another story I won't get into, but nevertheless
he was captured alive and eventually died after some one and a half to two
years. They gained a lot of information.

But before he died a number of strange things happened. He communicated. I am
told by someone who was once in the government that he gave the basis of the
modern transistor to Dr. von Neumann and to Dr. Vanover Bush. Whether this
is true or not I don't know, because Bell Labs had already announced the
transistor in 1947. But it was a different device. It was a Germanium pellet
with cat whiskers, and of course it developed from that point on if you are
familiar with the history of transistors. But supposedly he gave them the
information and sketches to the most rudimentary transistors based on their
own communication system, which was not understood-- nothing was understood
on board their ships. But he also told Dr. von Neumann about his problem.
The problem with the Eldridge, and how basically he could solve it. He didn't
tell him exactly how to solve it, and he told him what was wrong, gave him
some clues, and said 'you will have to go back to the drawing board and solve
it yourself. I'm not solving it for you!'

He did, about 1949, finally after doing his homework and a lot of study in
metaphysics. Which, if you can imagine a hardheaded mathematician being forced
to study metaphysics and matters of the occult, was probably obnoxious to him
at first, but he did eventually become quite versed in the subject, and
recognized the problem, and went to work on it.

Now what was the nature of the problem that he finally came to grips with? It
was rather basic. The ship came back to its point of reference because it had
a Zero Time Generator and the reference system which brought it back. That
remained intact; it was the generators that were destroyed, and certain other
equipments which were destroyed, but that zero reference device brought the
ship back to its original point of reference, even though it had shifted time

Humans are born, or I should say not only born but at the time of conception,
as he found out with his research, with their own TIME LOCKS. Now you would
have to go into some rather obscure physics, I'll leave out the math and try
to make it simple. We're not living in a three dimensional universe. We're
living in a five dimensional universe. The fourth and fifth dimensions are
TIME. The fourth time dimension of course has been well alluded to as
outlined by Einstein and others. The fifth dimensional concept actaully goes
back to 1931, to P.D. Aspinski and his book "Tertium Organum", a new model of
the universe, in English. And he spoke of the five dimensions of our reality.
He named the fourth as time; he never really got around to naming the fifth.

But von Neumann realized, as it is known today by some physicists, that the
fifth dimension is also time; it is a spinnor, a vector, rotating around the
first primary vector which indicates the flow and direction of time. The flow
is immaterial. We say that we are moving forward in time, that's because of
our looking at it, and our reference. We don't sense time but it does flow
at a fairly stable rate. And this other vector running around it is of no
concern to us... normally.

However every human at the time of conception is given a set of locks, if you
will (it's part of the genetic structure), to the time point at which that
individual is locked at conception, so that that individual flows with time
and one born and lives a life out is referenced to everything around him
which he comes to know all his friends, family, schooling, whatever, and
doesn't slip in and out of time from the point of reference which he is used
to. That is, normally.

In the case of the experiment on the Eldridge, the power was so enormous
that it ruptured the time references of those individuals who were directly
exposed to the fields, namely those above deck. They lost their time
references. Once the ship came back, is when the trouble started. As long
as it was in Hyperspace and the generators were going, they were all contained
within the field. So far as I know, nobody else jumped overboard but the two
of us. In retrospect, I wonder whether we ever should have, but nevertheless
we did, and the events that took place, took place. When the fields collapsed,
these individuals, having lost their time references right up to that point,
who were held and contained within the field, started to drift. Some of them
drifted totally out of reality, others drifted around, and were lucky if they
got their feet on the deck, and some drifted and finally materialized, as
happened, two on the deck, two in the bulkheads, and one with his hand in the
wall, and that was because of the fact that they lost their time references,
and they drifted, and they happened to drift back. Some never came back at
all! Others did this strange number of disappearing and rematerializing,

And there were those strange cases who were on fire, as the saying goes, such
as the Biblical story of the bush that burns and is not consumed. There were
a number of individuals who did this. The Navy spent a fortune in electronic
equipment trying to correct the problem. Eventually they did, more or less.
But everybody was in quarantine for a long period.

To this day the Navy will not admit that this experiment never took place.
There have been a lot of inquiries to the Navy. Many form letters were sent
out by the Department of the Navy denying that there ever was such an exper-
iment. They do not deny that the Eldridge existed, but they deny that the
experiment ever took place. And in 1979, when William Moore and Berlitz wrote
their book and released it, Moore estimated that at that point the Navy had
spent probably in excess of two million dollars in answering questions about
the Philadelphia Experiment, with form letters that were sent out. They still
deny it ever took place.

In any case, von Neumann did his homework, realizing he needed a computer to
solve the problems related to the personnel. So he went back to the drawing
board, as the saying goes, at the Institute and he developed the first all-
electronic computer. To that date there were no electronic computers. Von
Neumann is the father of the modern electronic computer. It is well-known and
well documented. About 1950 he had something working and in '52 they had a
fully working model, and books are still on the shelves down at the Institute
the bigestry [?] of his development was with Dr. Goldsten, who is still in
Philadelphia, no longer connected with the Institute. I've talked with
Dr. Goldsten. And in '53, approximately he, delivered a new system to the
Navy, with a computer, with the total correction factors. Precisely what he
did, I do not know. But they conducted another test with a different ship,
a different crew, totally successful, no side effects. The Navy was elated.
of course, the war was over, but they immediately classified this project,
dropped the name "Project Rainbow", and reclassified it "Project Phoenix".

From that point on they developed other systems, other hardware which goes
into extremely sensitive areas; I will not go into them publicly. But many
things have came out of that. Among them were several medical studies, at
least four medical reports were written. I know of these, for George Hoover
who was part of the commission in the Office of Naval Research investigating
the matter when it came up again in '55 (because of the "Allende Letters"
and Dr. Morris K. Jessup's involvement). But Hoover said to me on the phone,
he's now retired and living in California-- he said, well of course he
realized, and he said, Moore didn't realize, that there were any other
projects going on at that time, and of course he knew about the degaussing

He said that there were also, as a result of the Philadelphia Experiment,
Project Rainbow, a lot of medical studies made. He said, never before in
history had the human mind and the human body been subjected to such intense
magnetic fields, and powerful electromagnetic fields. They didn't know what
the consequences would be. He said, they found out as a result of those
studies, a great many things in terms of the consequences. He said, there
were very valuable reports. They certainly were; many other things came out
of it, after that. Well, the Navy solved the problem, eventually, and von
Neumann stayed around.

What happened to me? What happened to my brother? I did somewhat forget
that. I didn't forget it, I just left it for the end. My brother returned to
1983! Shortly there after he lost his 'time locks' due to an accident, and
he aged very, very rapidly, at the rate of a year per hour. He died within a
few days. They tried to keep him alive with some other hardware they had since
developed. But they couldn't, he died. But it was very important, for
reasons I can not go into, to keep him alive. So whether you will accept the
metaphysical point of view or not, it was arranged, I was allowed to help
arrange it. Because I was back in '43 and there was some transit back and
forth because of Montauk, which was still on line for a period of time.
To go back to the father and say, 'Hey man, get busy; we need another son,
something has happened to Duncan.' So a new son, the last of the line, was
born in 1951, and he from '83 was a walk-in, as a soul into the body in 1963,
August 12th. It had to be August 12th. And he's the man you saw in the
picture today. He does have the memories, of the whole thing, more or
less. There are holes and there are gaps.

There's another element involved in this as to why the two ships locked up.
Had that experiment not been conducted on the 12th of August, if it had been
the 10th or the 14th of August, or, as was the case in July, considerably
earlier, or had it been postponed to, let's say, September, we would have
never had the lockup with the Phoenix project. Why? It's a very fundamental
point involved here. Not only do humans have biofields, which are quite
well documented today. They start at birth. But planet Earth has its own
set of biofields. This has been discovered rather recently, in the last
decade roughly. Four of them, and they all four peak out once every twenty
years. Guess what date? The 12th of August. 1963, 1983, 1943, you can go
backwards or forwards, always twenty years. And this creates a very strange
set of conditions on planet Earth, where there is a peak of energy, a peak of
magnetic energies, and a capability of coupling, and this is what happened
because of the culmination of dates of the two experiments, on August 12th,
and the Earth's biofields peaking out at that time. The energies were
sufficient to create the Hyperspace field and the coupling, which otherwise
would not have occurred, and the Eldridge slipped into Hyperspace along with
the UFO, and the whole scenario came to pass, as it has been. This was all
recorded in the Navy documents, in the Navy files. They won't let them loose.
I know they exist, I know somebody who has had access to them, that's why I
know they exist. And they will not let loose of the story, they do not want
the public, to this day, to know how disastrous it was.

Now there is an interesting, lets say "post mortem" anecdote to this story.
William Moore, in writing his book (and by the way, I will indicate, there
were two books written. The first one issued in 1978, "Thin Air", was
fictionalized, written by two people I have never heard of, George E. Simpson
and Neil R. Burger. We have no idea who they are. There are no credits given
in the book as to who the authors are, it's a standard publication, it's long
since disappeared.)...

About a year and a half later the more definitive book, non-fiction (at least
it was not intended to be fiction), written by Berlitz and Moore, basically
by William R. Moore, titled "The Philadelphia Experiment", originally hard
back, and then of course in paperback. It became quite popular, they sold
over ten million copies to date. I don't know what printing it's in now, but
it's in multiple printing.

Moore in his research, never could pin down the exact date of the last
experiment; he never had any awareness of the "Phoenix Project" or the
coupling, or what the nature of the real disaster was. He did interview
Dr. von Neumann. He interviewed him and called him in the book, "Dr.
Reinhardt". Interestingly enough in "Thin Air" they also interviewed a Dr.
Reinhardt. One in the same man! Dr. von Neumann.

Von Neumann is not dead! He is alive to this date. The Navy and the official
government records say that he died of cancer in 1957. Well if he had cancer,
which I do not know, if he had it they found a way and they knew how to cure
it. They did. They needed him around. They kept him on the project. He was
the director of the Phoenix Project until '77 when he developed a very
pronounced split personality, which became worse as time went on. And he
resigned his position as director of the project and somebody else took over,
Dr. Herman C. Unterman, from Germany. And he became a consultant.
He is not dead, he is still alive, but he is now totally split in personality
and usually the alter ego, a Mr. Howard E. Decker, who is well known in New
York as an surplus Electronics dealer, is the only person that who shows
himself, in the same body. I have spent three hours talking with Howard
Decker, so I know the man is alive, as of November 1989. And these pictures
were taken on this date up there in his home, rather in bad disrepair. He has
become, shall we say, a sloppy housekeeper since his wife died.

The whole thing died, and in essence was resurrected with the Phoenix Project.
My brother was reborn. I was shipped up to '83. They decided they didn't
want me around anymore, for whatever reasons. And they did a number on me.
Total brainwashing, established a new personality, shipped me back into the
past, and I became Alfred Bielek. With a new set of parents, and a false birth
certificate, and a complete cover up story, which hung together, and memories,
which may or may not be quite true, but nevertheless, still there.
Well indoctrinated. I had not the foggiest notion that I had ever been
involved in the Philadelphia Experiment, much less the Phoenix Project, until
sometime in '86 in the Phoenix Project. The reason why I became aware of that
was because I revisited Long Island and long since left it. Went out on the
site at Montauk with some friends. Eventually some of the memories started to
come back. They said, 'You were part of it'. I said, 'No I'm not'. Eventually
I remembered I was.

But in January of '88 I remembered the beginnings of memory of the Phila-
delphia Experiment, and it has kept growing in terms of memory since then.
My brother does remember it also. And it's been a horrendous waste, I would
say, of a career of knowledge I once had. Pieces of it come back at times.
But the basic personality now remains quite stably as Al Bielek and the
memories of Edward A. Cameron flit in and out, but they're mostly there now,
particularly the earlier years, up to and through the experiment. From '43 to
'47 a good part of it is blank. I don't know what else happened. Except I
know that in '47 they decided that I was no longer useful. In fact I had to
be gotten rid of. So that basically is the story of what happened.

But the other interesting anecdote which William Moore uncovered in his
research: He was also interested in UFOs; 1975 in late December, or early
January perhaps '76, he went up to visit a family in Canada, who, on
September 12th, I believe it was, had an encounter in Ontario province, with
a UFO. A very simple farmer. He was driving home one night in his truck,
found a UFO parked in the road, straddling the road he was supposed to go
down. Nobody there, no lights on, nothing. He looked at it, 'what the blazes
is this?', turned around to go the other way, and what does he do? He
practically runs down a Ufonaut, standing about three and a half feet high,
in a silver suit, who was in the middle of the roadway. He jammed on his
brakes, missed him by inches; it was a gravel road and he skidded, and this
little ufonaut, whatever he was, whomever he was, jumped over the fence and

Approximately December 12th, according to Moore's date of December 12th, this
family, after having a lot of harassment from the neighbors, because some of
the UFO's kept coming into the area. And they were souvenir hunting and
everything else, and they didn't know what to do to try and keep the whole
thing quiet. They were visited by three very high-level officers, one from
the Canadian Armed Services, representing the province of Ottawa; one Air
Force General, from the Pentagon; and a Navy officer, from the Office of
Naval Intelligence. They apologized to these two people. They said, what
happened to you was not supposed to happen. 'Well what do you mean it wasn't
supposed to happen?' 'It was an accident.' 'Well what do you mean, an acci-
dent?' 'Well, it wasn't supposed to happen. We were sent here to make a formal
apology, and to answer any questions you might have. What would you like to
know?' This is probably one of the few times that the government has ever
opened up, and they said, according to William Moore's account, they got
questions answered for the next two hours or so. And all of a sudden the
Office of Naval Intelligence, officer blurted out a very interesting
commentary. He says, 'Oh, we have had contact with the ET's since 1943. It
was due to an accident of an experiment that the Navy was running at that
time, on invisibility!

*** E N D ***

So with that I will close the formal presentation and if you have any
questions, I will do my best to answer them.


The person who has made this tape or taped this conference has missed the
very first part of the questions, and answers. At which point to how much
was missing, I have no idea.



ANSWER: The experiment was expanded. They tried in 1948, the Naval Air Armed
tried to see if they could get this project to work before von Neumann's
resurrected work, on an aircraft. They had an F-80 available to them. They
attached some smaller equipment. Well you don't need tons and tons of
equipment for an aircraft, so they shrank it down. Put a system aboard the
F-80, followed the directions on ground under radio control from the pilot,
go off into a certain area and turn the equipment on, and after it becomes
radar invisible for a certain period of time, turn it off. Everything was
fine. Returned to base. Everything was fine. They said ok. Well looks like
we have it. But let's be safe!

They quarantined the officer for about a year, the pilot, and the aircraft.
About a year later they said, Ok, take it up again, but let's send an observer
with you this time. And we will try it again in the same area. So they went
up and everything was fine until they turned on the equipment. The pilot
disappeared and was never seen again. The observer was not a trained pilot
for an F-80. He couldn't control the aircraft; it crashed. The body of the
observer was recovered, but never the body of the pilot. So that was the end
of the attempts to use aircraft, at least at that phase. Since then, I
understand, they do have the equipment small enough to put on a large
aircraft. But that's highly classified.

QUESTION: Would you say that there is any experimentation in controlled time

ANSWER: Yes. There has been and that again is highly classified government
knowledge, but there definitely has been. Time Travel does exist.

You have a question over there?

QUESTION: That was one of my questions, that Time Travel did actually exist.
Does is currently still exist? Are they still using it? Or do you know?

ANSWER: It does still exist; beyond that I will not state.

QUESTION: When you were talking about the invisibility of the ship, you said
the first experiment went fine, and the second experiment was the one that
messed up. What you meant, I mean I took it as you meant, actually invisi-
bility as well as radar invisibility was achieved even on the first one?

ANSWER: That's correct. In terms of the hardware was successful. In terms
of the personnel, it was not successful, it was a complete disaster. Now it
was not a complete disaster in the first test July 22nd, it was a bad enough
disaster that they changed crews and realized there was a serious problem.
The second test might have been successful if they had not of coupled to the
Phoenix Project. In terms again of the hardware, but it was a complete
disaster both in terms of hardware and personnel.

QUESTION: You said that they had to have your brother back. Was that something
that's just his own personal knowledge, that they needed him still, or was
that sorta, a grid like of time, or the proverbial rapture that you hear of
that they, or the scientists have let that word out, or somebody's coined it.

ANSWER: He was needed back for reasons which are extremely sensitive, but he
had to be kept alive as well as myself, and a third party. The only way I
can state it was, if he had died and not been reborn after the equipment and
projects went down on both ends, there could have been a very serious problem.
So we are stabilizing factors, I'll put it that way, and I will not go beyond
that point. But he had to be alive and he is alive.

QUESTION: Is there such a thing as a Rapture of traveling through time and
changing something that has happened? Would it cause what they fear as it

ANSWER: The Rapture, you call it-- I don't know if there's a term or an
expression I ever have seen, which would describe it as you have seen, or
read it someplace. I can't really answer that as a yes or no. I don't know.

COMMENT: Yeah, you couldn't could you! Ha! Ha! Ha!

ANSWER: Sorry?

COMMENT: You couldn't answer that because, you really wouldn't probably know,
because if something serious really happened you might not be here to tell it!

ANSWER: That's right. Something very serious happened of course; it was not
a joy ride.

QUESTION: Assuming that the government is testing technology of this nature,
I want to know why it is not putting it to use to help this planet, to help
the public and everything on this planet. We have so many damn hard problems,
and they're not using any of it to help. Why?

ANSWER: answer that question, I will have to give you an answer in
two parts.

1. We have had a two-tiered technology for at least a century, perhaps longer,
in that there are technological developments which have been withheld from
the public, and have been held in the hands of a controlling elite, if you
will, for at least a century, perhaps a century and a half, because that tech-
nological base goes back to about 1800 or earlier. And insofar as to why
isn't released at this time, or in this era because of the problems we have.
If you have the means to do things, like, lets say for example, travel in
time, or develop new energy systems, or new communication systems, or let us
say, travel to the planets. If you contain those developments within a very
small group, a controlling group, you can quite literally control the planet
and humanity. And if you don't let the rest of the public know what's going
on, you, A) Have a very good handle for control for yourself, within this

And secondly, you have another problem called economic crackup.
If you were to release certain of these new developments, too rapidly, and
too soon, you totally disrupt our current economic base, which is based on
fossil fuels, electric power generation going through wires and transformers
and such, communications as we know them, jet aircraft as we know them, and
chemical rockets to get us to the Moon. All of this is based on our current
industry, and our current society, and our current economy. You don't super-
sede this rapidly overnight. Otherwise you can destroy the economic base.
I'm sure at some time it will be released. But it is not being released now.
That's one of the reasons why you don't play games with the basic economy.
And furthermore, those who are benefitting from it, in terms of gigantic
profits, like the oil companies, are not about to give up their profits.
That's only one example. I don't mean to single them out as being alone,
they're not.

QUESTION: Can you with this technology, go back in time, to say 1843?

ANSWER: You can go back as far as you want, or as far forward as you want, as
long as the equipment will take you there. Yes.

QUESTION: And also is this part of the Stealth Bomber technology now?

ANSWER: That has been rumored. That it is part of it. Yes.

QUESTION: You said that you did not have any memories of this until '83 or

ANSWER: '88.

QUESTION: Okay. Where did the information for the book, and also the movie
come from?

ANSWER: The first book we don't really know. Other than that, definitely
identified that Dr. Reinhardt, i.e. Dr. John von Neumann, was interviewed and
he gave a lot of information. Where some of the other came from? I don't
know. They didn't get very far in the archives, because the Navy is not
releasing the archives. What loose information is around, I don't know.
Moore did a great deal of leg work and research and he did for us, under the
Freedom of Information Act, free some of the information out; he didn't really
get much from the Navy, because the basic Freedom of Information Act was not
in place I think until about 1981. And he had a very difficult time getting
anything loose from anyone.

Ivan T. Sanderson-- he never wrote a book on the subject, died in 1973-- was
very interested in the Philadelphia Experiment himself; in fact some of his
final material wound up in Moore's hands and that's where Moore did get some
of his research material. But where he basically got the information he
obtained, I don't know. Other than some interviews, an interview someplace
along the line with Allende and whomever else. I never talked with Moore, and
I don't know where he got his source, or his sources of information.

QUESTION: How about the movie?

ANSWER: The movie is produced by EMI Thorn. Thorn Industries existed from
the turn, well sometime in the 19th century, 1820-1830. It was the company
in England that produced scientific instruments for England and for Europe.
It was taken over in 1850 by the Wilson Brothers, who inherited it from their
mother. And they were in it until sometime after the turn of the century,
when they died. In the 1980's-- late '70's early '80's-- I don't know the
exact date, but there was a merger between Thorn Industries and EMI Corp-
oration. An electromagnetic industries which EMI label and records are very
well-known in England, and here, and all over the world. There was a merger.
Who bought who out? I don't know. And they decided they were going to do
a movie. They decided on doing the Philadelphia Experiment!

Now during that period when they were filming, or perhaps just prior, a
certain friend of mine on Long Island was questioned, queried repeatedly, by
a fairly well-known movie actor who became director of the film, but he does
not appear in the credits. His logo from New World Pictures is there, so I
know who it is. He asked my friend a thousand questions as he said about the
Philadelphia Experiment. He certainly knew quite a bit about it, but he didn't
know all about it. We assumed that he supplied the basic material for the
film. It wasn't so! According to a very bizarre story, and you can accept it
or not if you wish: In February of 1989, I was in New York, along with my
brother, and a gentleman by the name of Preston Nichols, who did a presen-
tation to the New York Chapter of the USPA, the United States Psychotronics
Association (Clarence Robinson, president). He did the Phoenix Project, and I
did the Philadelphia Experiment, and a video tape was made of this thing
privately. We knew there was somebody there filming. It was not for release

The story I was given, quite a few months later, by Preston, was rather
interesting. He said along about July, he was visited one night in his lab.
Somebody knocked on the door. They said, 'Preston Nichols?' 'Yes!' 'I am
Bill... so & so from EMI Thorn Industries in England. I am their chief
archivist. I thought you would like to know the story.' He said, 'We've been
looking for you, for quite some time.' He says, 'What do you mean you've
been looking for me.' He said, 'I can show you why.' And he showed him a
picture, taken of a family portrait of the Wilson brothers in 1890, along
with a third party, Aleister Crowley. He is quite well-known to people in
Metaphysics, regardless of what you think of him. He was apparently a very
heavy investor in the corporation, and he lived until the fifties, 1950, and
a fourth party. The fourth party was a picture of my friend Preston, looking
approximately ten years older than he does now. He said, 'We had this picture
when we saw the video tape of you in New York giving this presentation; we
knew we had finally found you.' He says, 'Can I have the picture?' He said,
'No.' He says, 'Well what's the story?'

He said, 'The story is, that Crowley said that you were not of this time.'
(Referring to 1890.) 'You were out of the FUTURE! And you gave us the entire
story of the Philadelphia Experiment, and it has been in our archives since
1890! We've known the story, we have now only decided, recently,' that's
1983 approximately, 'to produce it.'

Well, they went to the U.S. government to film on Long Island, because they
knew that the other terminal was on Long Island at Montauk. The U.S. govern-
ment totally refused to allow them near the place. That's when they went over
to Wendover, Utah for the other terminal of the '84, as they called it,
experiment. I know Wendover, Utah, because I worked in Salt Lake City and I
went out to Wendover a number of times; that's the old Wendover Air Force
Base, which was used during World War II extensively. But that is, Believe it
or Not (Ripley would've loved this one), the story of how they got the script,
or the basic material to write the script of the Philadelphia Experiment.
They embellished it of course. He admitted to this. They added things to make
this a more interesting story. The love angle, the trips into California and
so forth. So a good part of this was fiction, but the basic story was fact,
which they expanded to make the movie.

QUESTION: You were also reluctant to talk about other highly classified
projects that you are aware of now, but obviously the Philadelphia Experiment
is highly classified too. Why?

ANSWER: The Philadelphia Experiment is theoretically DEclassified. There is a
law in the books, statute books which says, that any government project which
isn't classified, is automatically declassified after forty years. Now that
experiment took place in '43, it was terminated in '43, consequently forty
years later it is '83. So it was declassified, theoretically in '83.
Now a project in reference to it may be declassified, but the government has
ways of hiding references to it in the files, such that you are going to find
it, if you know the code numbers to find the file. Technical manuals or
technical reports, into that project may not be declassified. There is a law
which says, if it's in the interest of national security, technical reports
and other information pertaining to a declassified project may not be
released. As a typical example, after World War II was over, some years ago,
the Norton K2 bomb sites started showing up in the surplus stores in New York
and everywhere. They were selling the entire bomb sites, from prices varying
from $2500 a copy to down eventually to something like $200 a copy. You could
get the thing complete, intact! But you could not lay your hands on the
manuals, to tell you what it did, or how to use it, because they were still
classified top secret, and are still. But the device itself is totally

QUESTION: I have two questions. One of them has to deal with your traveling
into the future, and seeing the Doctor that was in charge of the Phoenix
Experiment and who was also in charge of the Philadelphia Experiment. You
knew that you had gone, and then you went back. You knew you were in the
future, but at that time the Doctor did not know. Is that correct?

ANSWER: No, no, He knew, he in '83 knew where he was.

QUESTION: Yeah, but in '43 he didn't.

ANSWER: No, he did not know a thing about it at that time. I eventually told
him what was going on, and that's why eventually he wrote a report, because he
became cognizant of the facts.

QUESTION: When was that written: in '43 or '83?

ANSWER: In '43 on, there were a series of reports written, and he knew the
facts as to what had gone wrong in the coupling to the future. But he also
was asked in '47 to resurrect the experiment.

QUESTION: But that's where I was curious: If you had told him that you had
seen him in the future, and pretty much...

ANSWER: He didn't believe it. He most certainly did not believe it at first,
eventually he did come to believe it!

QUESTION: Just due to your persuasion?

ANSWER: I'm sorry?

QUESTION: Was that due to your persuasion why he believed you?

ANSWER: Nnno! It wasn't entirely due to that, there were other elements

QUESTION: The second question has to do with the comments that some person
made about Pearl Harbor, saying that within a short time we are going to be
at war with Japan, and they are going to bomb Pearl Harbor. I don't know,
maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Pearl Harbor was a real surprise to us?

[......Audience chuckled and laughed a little....]

ANSWER: I'm sorry Ma'am; it was no surprise to the administration, they set
the whole thing up for the Japanese to bomb us to get us into the war. It was
setup by the President himself, George C. Marshall. The only ones in the dark
about this was, is Admiral Kenwell, and General Short, they were at Pearl
Harbor at that time. They were not told what was going on. They demanded a
Court Martial immediately afterwards. They were relieved of their duty,
that's when they demanded a court martial, because they knew there was
something wrong going on and they were not given their requested court martial
until after the war was over.

NOTE: I could not understand the Oriental names he mentioned. If any of
you know, please contact me and let me know. Thanks. C. Tippen

And then of course the records surfaced, from the captured Japanese records
from ====Insconsoyya====and the whole peace cabinet, and Toyjo, and the whole
thing, and the way they were pushed and pushed and pushed by Roosevelt, until
save face, they started the motions and sent the fleet out to attack Pearl
Harbor. They wanted to settle with the U.S., without a war!

QUESTION: Is this common knowledge?....

...Bielek kept talking...

Roosevelt wouldn't have it. Now there wereas certain military people who did
not, and did know what was going on. Certain high brass, but not the people
stationed at Pearl Harbor.

QUESTION: I have one question. Do you recall that a Dr. Harry Woo was
connected with Project Rainbow?

ANSWER: What was the name?

QUESTION: Harry Woo. He was a fourth generation Chinese gentleman; he was
the physicist connected with R&D, Navy, and the Pentagon.

ANSWER: Harry Wood?


ANSWER: Oh! Woo. No, I do not recall anyone by that name, not at this point.
If he had a connection with the project, it was possible that he was down at
Princeton, or at some other point. You see there are a lot of people who are
connected with that project, and were not on staff. That is, formerly
attached to the staff at Princeton, and they would never show up on the
records, and I looked through the records that are available in the archives.
Of course Dr. Von Neumann is there; Tesla is not, he was never on staff; uhh,
Gustave Le Bon is not there by any record we could find, though he was to my
knowledge on staff. Clarkston was on staff, but he was under a different name
at that time. Clarkston is currently a pseudonym, a cover; not Clarkston, he
goes by a different name, but Clarkston was a pseudonym even then. Just as
Reinhardt was a pseudonym for Von Neumann. Not heard of the gentleman, no.

QUESTION: Dr. Woo, was assigned by the Navy to investigate the UFO reports;
this was...

ANSWER: That could be...

QUESTION: Well he mentioned Rupell. He met and talked with Rupell, and he
mentioned some other people, and I thought perhaps that he might've been

ANSWER: I was not involved at that point with any of the UFO investigations,
and I was in another department of the Navy which sprang up, apparently,
concurrent, and obviously much later after the time period of August '43.

Uh, you have a question over here?

QUESTION: Yes! You said that in 1943 you went to '83, and back to '43. And
when you came to with your memory in '88, it would show that in this
particular dimension you were possibly somewhere else in '83....
Do you know what I am saying? You were in two places in '83.

ANSWER: True. In 1983, I as Alfred Bielek was working in Los Angeles,
California. I was a little far removed from the East Coast.

QUESTION: So, is the universe laid out like a hologram, where you go different
places in the time, this is just another....

ANSWER: You get into some very complex problems here in terms of time. The
man who did the greatest amount of work on this was a Dr. Norman Levinson,

[Note: In other speeches Bielek has called this person HENRY Levinson, or
Levenson. Has he changed his mind or has our transcriber goofed? -- R. A]

who will not show in any of the biographies of who's who, in the science or
mathematics. He's American. He's written three books I know of. He was an
assistant professor of mathematics at MIT in 1955, when he became full
professor of Mathematics at MIT, until he died about 1974. Born in 1912.
And he figured very heavily in the background of the Philadelphia Experiment,
because he developed the time equations from work previously done, and those
are totally classified. You will have quite a problem finding his books. He
wrote a book entitled "Ordinary Differential Equations". And published by
McGraw Hill, I believe in 1974. I have all the data if you're interested.
I have the names, and the titles, and the usement numbers of the books.
But I never could find them searching in Phoenix, in any of the libraries.
Finally on my last trip back East, I went down to Princeton. I said, if
anybody is going to have them, then Princeton will. Well they had them in
their card file. But not on the shelves in the graduate school library, but
in the Institute they had the books on the selves.

QUESTION: Well, do you know how that happened, so you can tell me, or is it

ANSWER: No, he has been made largely into an non-entity, non-scientifically,
not because he was a bad person, but because, apparently, of the nature of his
work. Why there is no reference to him in the scientific literature, I can't
quite understand, unless it's very deliberate.

QUESTION: What I was saying is, do you know how you were in two places..,
at the same place..., I mean in the same year at two different places.
Do you understand that, like...

ANSWER: Well, in terms of temporal time, you can say that I was in two places
at the same time. They were separated. But in terms of myself, I was only in
one place, in that you will have to follow the individual's progress through
time in the loop-backs, which takes place, and this is a very difficult
concept, and difficult to understand, unless you have looked at some of the
math. Even the math is very difficult. But it can be expressed in terms of
travel through time through various loops, you can by.., if you don't cross
your path in the same location, you can have a very disastrous situation.

QUESTION: Does it all go on at once?

ANSWER: I'm sorry...

QUESTION: Does it all go on, there's just no telling, so it all goes on at
once? We're limited in thinking, with time.

ANSWER: If you were to cross your own path, you would have a very serious
problem: you might disappear, but as long as you don't cross your own pathway,
in the same physical location where you can reach out and touch yourself,
so to speak, there is no real problem.

You have a question over here?

QUESTION: Yes, I have a couple of questions. The first one, something about
the August 12th date. The way I understand it after listening to you, was
that it was pure coincidence that the disastrous experiment occurred on
August 12th, and it was also the second coincidence that the Phoenix link-up
was also performed on August 12th? If neither one of those was performed on
those dates, then you would not have the Hyperspace link? Is that correct?

ANSWER: That is correct. If, not insofar as the Phoenix Project was, is
concerned, because that series of experiments was going on for two and a
half years, and as I understand it, from the records that have been captured,
if you will, by a certain friend when we went through that area, after they
abandoned it, they left a lot of paperwork and books behind. They went on
twenty-four hour, seven day a week operation from August 1, on, of 1983.
Now due to the first biofield's peakouts on 12th August, which by the way is
not an absolutely exact date, because the calendar system we use is not
absolutely accurate, and the peakouts do not occur with rays of precision
on a given time of that day. It could actually be plus or minus a day; at
that point it was not. If the Eldridge had not done that experiment on the
12th, and waited two days later, in all likelihood there would have been
no link up. But somebody insisted that it had to be on the 12th. Accident?
We seriously question, I do, in retrospect, whether it was an accident that
they were given that date. They knew very well that von Neumann would squeeze
every last minute and second out of it he could for further testing and
modification. And therefore they knew he would go on the 12th or forget it.
And he wasn't the type of man who was about to forget it. He was hoping for
the best and harvested the worst.

QUESTION: On the second time around was it also coincidence that they didn't
deliberately set it up to try to receive you, at that time, or know that you
were coming?

ANSWER: Are you talking about '43 or '83?


ANSWER: That was a totally different project, whether or not the operation at
that time being around the clock was due to any foreknowledge of what was
going on in '43 or not, I don't know. I can't answer that one, because I
simply don't know.

QUESTION: The other question I had, it seems kinda but, we touched on earlier
about the stealth bomber, but it seems kind of ludicrous that we spend so
much on each aircraft for this same idea that works perfectly-- it's been
proved that it works perfectly, that they could've dampen [?] it by now, and
cut the cost tremendously.

ANSWER: They have probably adapted this type of hardware to other aircraft.
Do you remember the story of the Israeli raid on Entebbe, Africa, to rescue
the some several hundred Jewish people who were being held prisoner there, at
that time? There was quite a long movie documentary made of this. The facts
are that when the state of Israel ran their rescue planes from Israel across
Africa, all of their radar systems were operating at that time. None picked
up the aircraft going across Africa. They hit Entebbe in total surprise, with
no forewarning. They had systems for blocking out the radar.

QUESTION: What did you experience, what did you see, when you moved through

ANSWER: Sorry?

QUESTION: What did you experience when you moved through time?

ANSWER: You really don't experience much of anything. It's a falling
sensation, it's very much like if you jumped off a high building, and didn't
see the bottom, and didn't know where you were going, or if you fell off a
cliff, several thousand feet down. You're falling and you know you're falling,
and you have the feeling of falling, and you don't know where you're going,
or what's going to happen eventually. It's similar to that. We didn't know
what was happening at that time, we had no idea at that instant when it first


This seems to be the end of the conference. The lady that was the host
of this conference thanked Mr. Bielek for his time, and sharing the informa-
tion he had about the Philadelphia Experiment. This was the end of this tape.

There was another tape made prior to this in December of 1989, as was told in
the above transcription from Alfred Bielek. It seems that EMI Thorn made this
video tape. If this is so and if anybody has any type of connections to
receive this tape, please contact me.

One more thing you may want to think about and also try to locate this person.
As mentioned back on page 29, Preston Nichols has seemed to do some time
traveling himself! From the transcription, and as I understand this, he was
visited sometime in 1983-84 from a represenative of Thorn EMI. In the picture
he was around 10 years older. Well it is now 1991! Just about ten years ago
from 1983-84, that he had this visit from EMI! Sometime soon, this man
Preston Nichols, is going to do some traveling in time. If we can join our
efforts and try to either locate this man, or maybe Mr. Bielek, we can
finally get down to the truth of this forty eight year old mystery!


I hope that you have enjoyed this, and if so would like to hear your comments,
concerning the Philadelphia Experiment, UFO's and other objects that were
mentioned in this document. Also I would like to hear from you, if you have
done any further research into this experiment. I would also like to know
the whereabouts of Alfred Bielek.

Please contact me:

CRC Technology, Inc. Att. Clay Tippen
7809 Cypress St., West Monroe, LA 71291-8282

VOICE (318) 397-2723
MODEM (318) 361-5080 The Jolly Roger BBS Robotics HST

The actual video tape that this document was transcribed from was for sale in
Phoenix, Az from a BOOKSTORE! As I understand this, the owner of the
bookstore was at the UFO conference, and taped this. The quality of the tape
is somewhat poor, but that really doesn't matter. But what is important is
the conference itself. I hope that the author of this tape doesn't mind that
I have transcribed this into a document. There were no copyright indications
either on the tape or in writing, and instead of copying the tape, I have
decided to transcribe this to document to share with other interested parties.

If any of you can contact either William Moore, or Charles Berlitz,
I hope that you will give a copy of this to them. Maybe it will help to
further their research, and finally get down to the truth of the Philadelphia
Experiment. Maybe they will have better luck in trying to track down
Mr. Bielek.



As of this grammar/spelling editing of the above file, Oct. 1992, I have
come across the following information:

Al Bielek resides in Phoenix, Arizona. His phone number is unlisted.

Preston Nichols lives in East Islip, Long Island, NY. His phone is usually
hooked up to an answering machine as he is "no longer taking calls" unless
he feels you are worth talking to.

I'm not sure of Duncan Cameron's whereabouts but I believe he also lives
on Long Island.

William Moore, who has been "excommunicated", if you will, by some of the
UFO research community since some doubts as to his credibility have come
to light in the last few years, is presently editing a magazine called
FAR OUT! A recent copy contained articles on Groom Lake/Area 51, T. Townsend
Brown, the legend of the "Jersey Devil", and assorted other UFO/mystery-type

There is another videotape around, called "The Truth About the Philadelphia
Experiment", available through Bill Knell of Long Island Skywatch, Flushing,
NY. This is the tape which introduced me to the Bielek/Cameron/Nichols
version of the Phila. Exp. It contains much the same info as far as Bielek's
account is concerned, but goes into quite a bit about the alleged "Phoenix
Project" at the Montauk Point, Long Island, radar base, and how that project
allegedly grew out of a synthesis of the Phila. Exp., the "weather-control"
devices of Wilhelm Reich, and the development of Radiosonde transmitters by
Brookhaven National Labs on Long Island during the 1950's. (Preston Nichols
is the storyteller of the above).

Also, Brad Steiger, known in UFology circles for many years, has written a
book entitled, "The Philadelphia Experiment & Other UFO Conspiracies", in
which Al Bielek's story plays a major role. The book is published by
Timewalker Productions, c. 1990; Inner Light Publications, Box 753, New Bruns-
wick, New Jersey 08903. (ISBN: 0-948395-97-0).

Finally, Nichols himself has published (or his story has appeared in) a book
called "The Montauk Project"-- which, at this writing, I am still waiting to
receive through the mail, so I can't give any details as yet.

Those of you who have a technical background in either physics or electronics
will of course be keenly interested in the fine details of the TECHNOLOGY
supposedly used to create the Philadelphia Experiment and the Montauk Project.
I am an electronics technician in the process of trying to collect every bit
of info I can in order to piece this thing together and determine once and for
all whether these stories could possibly be true or not. My ASCII file TECH-1,
recently uploaded to several BBS's, was an attempt to get some serious think-
ing going by someone smarter than myself and smart enough to be able to
seriously challenge Bielek and Nichols on the technical points. As long as we
are nothing more than listeners of finely-spun anecdotes, we will be wafted
along by every story that comes along. We must start thinking about the
SCIENCE behind this, and we must call the storytellers to account for their
stories. If they're going to charge $10 a pop for us to attend their lectures
then we get to ask for the technical details, don't we? If they're reluctant
to tell us the technical details, then what's the point in "breaking their
silence" to tell us what went on in a classified project 40 years ago? Can
any one of us, their hearers, do anything about it? No-- all we can do is
line their pockets with greenbacks by attending their lectures. If they are
under the altruistic "need" or compulsion to "blow the whistle" and tell the
world about the secret gov't. experiments in time travel, teleportation, etc,
then I maintain that we have the right to demand some technical details.
What else do we have to go on?

Al Bielek and his associates tell fascinating stories. Can they tell some
theoretical and technical stories as valuable to the physicists and engineers
as their stories are to the non-technically-minded people who attend their

If anyone is interested in exchanging information on these subjects, I can be
reached at the address below:

Rick Andersen
R.D. 1, Box 50A
Newport, Pennsylvania

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